MidnightWatcher – Prophecy in Motion

Hi Turker, you must have been reading a different book. I can’t find Jesus commanding me anywhere to kill anyone.

LikeLike

Turker, “I would gladly show u d verse were he says this r u ready to c ur bible LUKE 19 27 NOW,AS FOR THOSE ENEMIES OF MINE WHO DO NOT WANT ME TO BE THEIR KING,BRING THEM HERE AND KILL THEM IN MY PRESENCE,these r Jesus ‘s words ur bible ur God.”

Hi Turker, Jesus is telling a story about a man who says those words. It would be beneficial to read the full chapter.

Turker, “And listen wat ur God says,EXODUS 12 29 AT MIDNIGHT THE LORD KILLED THE FIRST BORN SONS IN EGYPT,he killed innocent children ur bible not mine,EXODUS 16 14 TELL JOSHUA THAT I WILL COMPLETELY DESTROY THE AMALEKITES,EXODUS 19 12 IF ANYONE STEPS FOOT ON IT ,HE IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH,ur God loves deAth were us d loving God in this”

God gave Pharaoh every opportunity to save himself and Egypt, but Pharaoh refused to obey God and the judgement that Egypt inflicted upon the children of Israel was now being meted out upon Egypt by the word of God, demonstrating all the while to the Hebrew children that there was life in the blood of the lamb. This was the first “Passover”.

As for the Amalekites, they attacked Israel a number of times without provocation (Exodus 17:8, Deuteronomy 25:17-18, Judges 3:13). They were given plenty of opportunity to change their behaviour, but they did not. God put an end to it.

Regarding Exodus 19:12, the Lord God was Himself descending upon Mount Sinai and it was being completely consecrated to Him. The Lord therefore set boundaries for the people so that they would stay away from the mountain to be safe. He wanted them to live, not die. Obeying the Word of the Lord meant life, but disobeying it brought death.

Turker, “Is wrong Muslims pray to d same God Abraham did ,same God as Moses Noah Isaac all d messengers d same God as Jesus”

This is demonstrably incorrect. Ambraham prayed to YHWH. Ask any Musim who they pray to, and they will say “Allah”, not “YHWH”. Even though Allah has 99 names/titles in the Qur’an, not a single one of them is “YHWH” or “Savior”. But one of the names/titles of the god of Islam just so happens to be “The Destroyer.” In Revelation 9:11, the “locusts” that come out the bottomless pit have a king over them named “Abaddōn” in the Hebrew, which means “destruction”, or “Apollyōn” in the Greek, which means “The Destroyer”. Now consider the name of Satan in Isaiah 14:12, “Lucifer”. In the Hebrew his name is “heylel” which means “light-bearer”. The Arabic equivalent “hilal” means “crescent moon”. In the next verse we read, “For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north”. The Prophet Isaiah, in describing the condition of the earth leading up to the Second Coming of Messiah, says that “the curse [alah] has devoured the earth, And those who dwell in it are desolate” (Isa 24:6). Interestingly, in Isaiah 14:13, the word for “ascend” is also “alah”, to which “heylel” then says that “I will be like the most High” (Isaiah 14:14). Could the prophetic Hebrew text be telling us something here?

vickersgroup, “I do not believe in the trinity”

You should. Scripture is clear that God is Triune. Yes, Jesus is the Son of God, and He is God. Let’s dig into this a bit more from a Biblical perspective.

Many verses forbid worshiping men, angels, or any created thing.

* Acts 10:25,26 – Cornelius fell down to worship Peter. Peter forbade it saying that he himself was just a man. God deserves worship, but men do not. (Cf. Acts 12:20-23; 14:8-18.)
* Revelation 22:8,9; 19:10 – John sought to worship the angel, but the angel forbade it because he was a “fellow servant.” “Worship God.”
* Romans 1:25 – People who worship and serve created things, rather than the Creator, have left the truth of God.
* To worship any created thing – whether man, angel, heavenly body, or some other object in nature (mountain, ocean, etc.) – constitutes idolatry. [In other words, worshiping anything or anyone other than YHWH the God of the Bible is idoloatry].

Only the true God deserves to be worshipped.

* Matthew 4:9,10 – Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.
* Revelation 9:20 – Idolatry is forbidden because it constitutes worship of someone other than God (Exodus 20:3-6; Deuteronomy 6:13-15; Revelation 14:9-11). [See also Exodus 34:14]
* Note: proskunew is forbidden when used for obeisance to men from a spiritual or religious motivation or purpose. The word is sometimes (but rarely) used in the New Testament non-religiously to refer to bowing in obeisance to a king, master, or other person in authority (see Matthew 18:26 – this usage is more common in the Old Testament).
* When used for religious honor, however, worship is forbidden toward any except God. In this sense, “worship” is like “lord,” “father,” “master,” etc. The words may be acceptably used for earthly, physical relationships (Ephesians 6:1-9; Colossians 3:21,22), but we are forbidden to use such as religious honor to men or created things (Matthew 23:8-12). [On Revelation 3:9, cf. to 1 Corinthians 14:25]
* The concept of Deity distinguishes the Creator from the creature. Things which are created do not have the unique characteristics of God, do not do the unique works of God, and therefore should not be addressed by the unique names of God nor should they be worshipped.

But Jesus received the unique worship God deserves.

He was often worshipped while He appeared on earth before His resurrection.

* Matthew 8:2 – A leper came and worshipped Jesus. [9:18; 15:25; Mark 5:6]
* Matthew 14:33 – After Jesus had calmed the storm, the disciples worshipped Him saying He was the Son of God.
* John 9:38 – After Jesus had healed the blind man, He revealed Himself to be the Son of God (v35). The man said he believed, and he worshipped Jesus.
* Note that such religious worship would have been blasphemy and should have been forbidden as it was in the case of Peter, the angel, etc., if Jesus had been just a man on earth.

Created beings also worship Him after His resurrection.

* Matthew 28:9,17 – After His resurrection, His disciples worshipped Him. [Cf. John 20:28,29]
* Luke 24:52 – Even after He had ascended back to heaven, they worshipped Him.
* Hebrews 1:6 – Angels are instructed by God to worship Jesus.
* Note that men were rebuked for worshipping men, angels, or created beings, but they were never rebuked for worshipping Jesus. Angels are even instructed by the Father to worship Jesus. The context of the above passages cannot fit the idea of obeisance to an earthly king or ruler. They refer to honoring Jesus as a religious authority – the very thing forbidden when offered to Peter, angels, etc.
* Hence, Jesus accepted worship as an act of religious honor. The Scriptures, including Jesus’ own teachings, would absolutely forbid this unless He possesses true Deity. [1]

Here is sound logic that we can easily deduce from Biblical Scripture. If Biblical Scripture explains that only God can be worshiped, and if Biblical Scripture forbids the worship of any created being or object, and if Biblical Scripture does not forbid or rebuke the worship of Jesus Christ, then Jesus Christ is therefore uncreated and is God in the flesh, according to Biblical Scripture.

LikeLike